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we were paying down the deficit. things were going well under bill clinton, under that tax system, and that's what we'll go back to tomorrow. what's so bad about that? well, what's happened is in the last ten years a lot of people have gotten very rich in this country. very rich. and now they want to protect their wealth. and that's what they want to do. they want to lock in this system on estate taxes and lower tax rates up to $450,000 or $500,000 or a million or whatever they want. they want to lock that in. i think it's time for them to start paying their fair share, and they did under the clinton tax provisions that we had in place at that time. so to go back to the tax provisions that we had under bill clinton doesn't frighten me one bit. but now we hear the same song and dance from the republicans. if we do that, the sky's going to fall. the world will end tomorrow. the markets will just go all to heck. we heard that in 1993, and it was wrong. we're hearing it again today about what will happen if we go back to
we were paying down the deficit. things were going well under bill clinton, under that tax system, and that's what we'll go back to tomorrow. what's so bad about that? well, what's happened is in the last ten years a lot of people have gotten very rich in this country. very rich. and now they want to protect their wealth. and that's what they want to do. they want to lock in this system on estate taxes and lower tax rates up to $450,000 or $500,000 or a million or whatever they want. they want...
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having said that, it has become part of our deficit negotiation. i'm troubled by the notion that we're somehow going to give a tax break to some 6,000 very fortunate americans and incur a new expense for our federal government of some $130 billion or $140 billion in the process. what are we thinking? at a time whaoef to try to -- we have to try to bring together the resources to reduce our deficit, why would we want to give a new bonus break for the wealthiest people in this country when it comes to the estate tax. at that to me would be a step backwards. i hope we are not forced into any agreement that includes it, although i stand here knowing full well that if there is an ultimate compromise there will be parts of it i find disgusting and reprehensible which i may have to swallow in the name of following a compromise to avoid the fiscal cliff. that is the nature of a compromise. i hope that one isn't included but it may be. we have to do things important for this economy and one of the most important is to make sure we extend unemployment benefi
having said that, it has become part of our deficit negotiation. i'm troubled by the notion that we're somehow going to give a tax break to some 6,000 very fortunate americans and incur a new expense for our federal government of some $130 billion or $140 billion in the process. what are we thinking? at a time whaoef to try to -- we have to try to bring together the resources to reduce our deficit, why would we want to give a new bonus break for the wealthiest people in this country when it...
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the same is true for any future deficit agreement. obviously we're going to have to do more to reduce our debt and deficit. i'm willing to do more. it is going to have to be balanced. it has to be a balanced and responsible way. i'm willing to reduce our government's medicare bills by finding new ways to reduce the cost of health care in this country. that is something that we all should agree on. we want to make sure that medicare is there for future for generations. the cost of health care is going up so high that we have to find ways to make sure that is sustainable. that kind of reform has to go hand-in-hand with doing some more work to reform our tax code so that wealthy individuals the biggest corporations cannot take advantage of loopholes and reductions that i not available to most of the folks standing up here. are not available to most americans. there's still more work to be done to make it fair even as we also look at how we can strengthen something like medicare. if republicans think that i will finish the job of deficit
the same is true for any future deficit agreement. obviously we're going to have to do more to reduce our debt and deficit. i'm willing to do more. it is going to have to be balanced. it has to be a balanced and responsible way. i'm willing to reduce our government's medicare bills by finding new ways to reduce the cost of health care in this country. that is something that we all should agree on. we want to make sure that medicare is there for future for generations. the cost of health care is...
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we still have a deficit issue. we still have a deficit problem. what we tried to establish this morning in this vote, revenue has to be part of every solution on deficit reduction. the other side of the aisle reluctantly, after years of resisting it, came to our side in the early morning hours. that's number one. number two, we need to take an honest look at entitlements. here's what the facts are: social security untouched, unamended, unchanged will make every promised payment for 20 years. you can't say that about any other federal program. 20 years of payments with cost-of-living adjustments every singles year, and on the 21st year, there will be a dropoff of 30% in terms of social security benefits. so we have 20 years. we can wait, we can wait five, ten, or fifteen to do something about it. or maybe this year, 2013. that's i'd like to to. i'm preparing legislation which will call for the creation of a commission, to come up with a plan for 75-year solvency of social security. when you have it and it's been certified to be a valid plan, report
we still have a deficit issue. we still have a deficit problem. what we tried to establish this morning in this vote, revenue has to be part of every solution on deficit reduction. the other side of the aisle reluctantly, after years of resisting it, came to our side in the early morning hours. that's number one. number two, we need to take an honest look at entitlements. here's what the facts are: social security untouched, unamended, unchanged will make every promised payment for 20 years....
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the tax would go as the deficit went up. if we go down as the deficit went down. i think the imports -- i think they started this problem, and the need to, you know, revitalizes through this. let me give you one example. although sun. a utozone. they used to only sell american- made parts. now it is all chinese. they have taken over by autozone. host: thank you. our listeners can hear more on c-span radio. we just heard from senator mcconnell. he says that they are very close to a deal. the sequestration issue will be dealt with in the coming weeks and months. robert is turning us from canton, ohio. democrats lined. caller: hello. one thing about the social security and stuff, that should be like a savings account. nobody should be able to get for any debt. that should be what we work for for our future. they should have to ask us if they want to use the us -- use that to pay debt. as for the taxes, the need to get their heads together and work together, and if they do not want to work together, we need to vote them out and get someone in there who will work hand-
the tax would go as the deficit went up. if we go down as the deficit went down. i think the imports -- i think they started this problem, and the need to, you know, revitalizes through this. let me give you one example. although sun. a utozone. they used to only sell american- made parts. now it is all chinese. they have taken over by autozone. host: thank you. our listeners can hear more on c-span radio. we just heard from senator mcconnell. he says that they are very close to a deal. the...
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is in the white house, deficits don't matter. can you tell us a little bit about the philosophies of the two candidates? well now, the president and the ex-candidate. will the situation be that much different if there was a different man in the white house? guest: well, look, it's an interesting question. it is certainly true that tax policy was one of the key sort of issues in the last election. and actually, the debate that we're having if it sounds familiar, it's because we've had it several times before. it was really a similar debate to what we had in 2008. we had the same debate in 2010. we had a similar debate in 2011 when we were dealing with the debt ceiling issue the first time around. and we dealt it with it in the last election. and the differences have always been that president obama has maintained that tax cuts should be allowed to expire for people making more than $250,000. mitt romney called for extending all the tax cuts fully. and making other changes to the tax code. but, you know, i mean, he wouldn't be in o
is in the white house, deficits don't matter. can you tell us a little bit about the philosophies of the two candidates? well now, the president and the ex-candidate. will the situation be that much different if there was a different man in the white house? guest: well, look, it's an interesting question. it is certainly true that tax policy was one of the key sort of issues in the last election. and actually, the debate that we're having if it sounds familiar, it's because we've had it several...
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are you going to pay down the deficit? if you are going to use it for more government spending we don't want a part of it. senator mcconnell on the republican side seemed to get frustrated because he felt like the democrats were slow walking the th, 18 hours without a response. mcconnell made a call to a well known senator, joe biden to see if he could help. >> we're willing to work with whoever can help. no single issue remains an impossible sticking point. a sticking point appears to be a willingness and interest or frankly the courage to close the deal. >> reporter: as senate aide says it was designed to try to jumpstart the talks and consequences of getting a tax increase is a huge concern. >> gregg: what went awry in these talks? >> you heard senator thune. a fiscal cliff deal is a new way calculating inflation that would lower social security payments. democrats say they would do it as part of much bigger deal but it was off the table for the smaller deal they are working on. so democrats called it a poison pill. >>
are you going to pay down the deficit? if you are going to use it for more government spending we don't want a part of it. senator mcconnell on the republican side seemed to get frustrated because he felt like the democrats were slow walking the th, 18 hours without a response. mcconnell made a call to a well known senator, joe biden to see if he could help. >> we're willing to work with whoever can help. no single issue remains an impossible sticking point. a sticking point appears to be...
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in fact, the deal would actually add nearly $4 trillion to the deficit over the next ten years. mostly thanks to the cost of extending those tax cuts for everybody making under $400,000. >> there's no spending cuts. we're adding $4 billion a day to the debt. and we feel like the senate bill failed miserably. >> reporter: if they don't get their act together, the consequences will be immediate. the pentagon has already drafted notices to 800,000 civilian employees warning they may be put on unpaid leave. and those tax increases triggered today will start to hit our paychecks this week. the average family, seeing a tax increase of almost $3,500. there is intense pressure on house republican leaders to resolve this before the stock market opens tomorrow morning. they are hearing from business leaders. they are also hearing from senate republicans, saying that the cost of failure on this, david, would just be too high. >> would love to be on some of those phone calls, jon. thank you. as you point out, wall street does open tomorrow morning. after a week straight of losses already, n
in fact, the deal would actually add nearly $4 trillion to the deficit over the next ten years. mostly thanks to the cost of extending those tax cuts for everybody making under $400,000. >> there's no spending cuts. we're adding $4 billion a day to the debt. and we feel like the senate bill failed miserably. >> reporter: if they don't get their act together, the consequences will be immediate. the pentagon has already drafted notices to 800,000 civilian employees warning they may be...
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reduce the deficit by 10 or 12%. so it's a question at this point of what sort of hollow, empty meaningless symbolic gesture daus washington want to make and how many group of people do they want on the altar to make that gesture. >> what's so interesting here is that we're talking about the republicans fighting to protect 1.2% of the american public from a tax increase. 98.2% of taxpayers are below the $250,000 threshold so it's kind of amazing in congress, particularly when we're talking about the house, that he's made a pledge around tacks that its willing to allow 98.2% of americans to pay more by going over -- around this curve, it's more of a curve than a cliff. but i think the issue of the deficit is important. i don't think it's a symbolic gesture. one of the things that we've seen is $200 million we've started carving off the deficit. and the question is the time frame of deficit reduction, right? it's how fast, over what time trajectory do we see health? we've been making improvements over the past three ye
reduce the deficit by 10 or 12%. so it's a question at this point of what sort of hollow, empty meaningless symbolic gesture daus washington want to make and how many group of people do they want on the altar to make that gesture. >> what's so interesting here is that we're talking about the republicans fighting to protect 1.2% of the american public from a tax increase. 98.2% of taxpayers are below the $250,000 threshold so it's kind of amazing in congress, particularly when we're...
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that would help the federal government in terms of dealing with the deficit, but nonetheless, it still won't be enough, but it will be a start in that direction. that's the current cutoff, but we don't have that deal yet. absent that deal and as long as the clock keeps ticking, all of this is on the table for all of us. one more thing i should mention, bear in mind this past year, all of us have enjoyed a payroll tax vacation. payroll taxes were reduced across the country to help people deal with this bad economy right now. that's ending. there's no sign that's not going to end. everyone is going to pay a little more anyway. what we're worried about is this extra level on top. that is what many volters are paying attention to and that is the real bear in the woods that has democrats and republicans both worried about these negotiations. >> the clock, as you point out, is ticking, ticking, ticking right now. tom, thank you. >>> what's at stake for the millions of americans already out of a job once the country goes over the fiscal cliff? that and much more when our special coverage cont
that would help the federal government in terms of dealing with the deficit, but nonetheless, it still won't be enough, but it will be a start in that direction. that's the current cutoff, but we don't have that deal yet. absent that deal and as long as the clock keeps ticking, all of this is on the table for all of us. one more thing i should mention, bear in mind this past year, all of us have enjoyed a payroll tax vacation. payroll taxes were reduced across the country to help people deal...
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. >> catherine, isn't it their deficit in large part deficit? >> of course, but they have political amnesia. ideology is the science of idiots. here's one of these moments where when you live inside the box and refuse to look at empirical evidence, refuse to understand history to show us how economies work, how tax cuts or increases affect populations, then they are going to follow this line of idiocy over their own, i think, political cliff. and the partisanship is going to wreak tremendous havoc on the republican party in the upcoming elections. >> we have limited time. i want to go back to john harwood. is there a time here, john, when we're going to see the markets start to react or are we expecting most traders to wait until after the first to make big decisions? >> i think that's when they reacted. if we go over the cliff, even for a couple of days, you're going to see a reaction. i think at the end of the day you will see action if we go over the cliff for a couple of days, because i don't agree with jonathan that they are immune to publi
. >> catherine, isn't it their deficit in large part deficit? >> of course, but they have political amnesia. ideology is the science of idiots. here's one of these moments where when you live inside the box and refuse to look at empirical evidence, refuse to understand history to show us how economies work, how tax cuts or increases affect populations, then they are going to follow this line of idiocy over their own, i think, political cliff. and the partisanship is going to wreak...
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even if it some type of deficit deal is reached the there will be just hours left to get it passed through both chambers of cocongress >> secretary of state hillary clinton is in the hospital in new york tonight with a blood clot related to a concussion she suffered earlier this month. doctors discovered the blood clot during a routine follow up exam today. mrs. clinton is being treated with anti-coagulants. she will remain in the hospital for at least 48 hours, so doctors can monitor her condition. mrs. clinton suffered the concussion while battling a stomach flu, which left her dehydrated, causing her to faint and fall at her home. mrs clinton had been expected to return to work next week. a bill to legalize same-sex marriage in illinois could come before state lawmakers in springfield as soon as this week >> the headline in sundays sun times said it all... president obama calling on illinois to legalize gay marriage... i think the president speaks for the majority of americans.. the timing... crucial for state represenative greg harris, who looks for a vote on marriage equlity in spring
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christmas should be a day of joy and celebration and recent tragic events gave this year's holiday a deficit feeling. >> reporter: in newtown, connecticut, it was a day of lingering heartache. empty stockings hung as reminders of loss filled with gifts and police helps for time with their families. >> glad we can do it. >> a pleasure to help them out. >> police officers giving police officers time off, you couldn't ask for a better christmas gift. >> reporter: in the new york area, still without homes because of hurricane sandy, volunteers tried to deliver holiday spirit, handing out food, toys and blankets at relief centers. >> people came out to help people. you can't put a price on that or buy that either. >> reporter: in places spared direct tragedy americans marked it with their own ways keeping those less fortunate in their thoughts. >> when people are suffering and going through hardship, many, many people come to offer their help in whatever they can do. >> reporter: across the nation, americans attended church services and spent time with family and friends. at the mitchell home out
christmas should be a day of joy and celebration and recent tragic events gave this year's holiday a deficit feeling. >> reporter: in newtown, connecticut, it was a day of lingering heartache. empty stockings hung as reminders of loss filled with gifts and police helps for time with their families. >> glad we can do it. >> a pleasure to help them out. >> police officers giving police officers time off, you couldn't ask for a better christmas gift. >> reporter: in...
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> reporter: republicans say to be fair the president must focus on entitlement reform to reduce the deficit. >> are you prepared to do that in your first year of your second term. >> what i said i'm prepared to do everything i can to make sure medicare and social security are there not just for this generation but future generations. >> reporter: despite the current gridlock the president says he mains optimistic but asserted democracy is messy. >> one way or another we'll get through this. to i wish that things were more orderly in washington? and rational and people listen to the best arguments and compromise and operate in a more thoughtful and organized fashion? absolutely. but when you look at history that's been the exception rather than the norm. >> now here is your "first look" at this morning's dish of scrambled politics. a new the die found the long lines in central florida on election day discouraged as many as 49,000 people from voting. on "meet the press" nbc's tom brokaw says there's a simple explanation for what's wrong with our elections and the lawmakers sent to washington.
> reporter: republicans say to be fair the president must focus on entitlement reform to reduce the deficit. >> are you prepared to do that in your first year of your second term. >> what i said i'm prepared to do everything i can to make sure medicare and social security are there not just for this generation but future generations. >> reporter: despite the current gridlock the president says he mains optimistic but asserted democracy is messy. >> one way or another...
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that's where we'll really have deficit savings. remember, we're in nickel right now because we're trying to deal with the deficit and long-term debt problems, not just fix a little area in the tax code. >> richard, would you agree that we're really just looking at the tip of the iceberg here? i mean, if we thought this was a difficult negotiation, you ain't seen nothing yet? >> yes, well, can we concede on the air that this whole fiscal cliff business was overhyped, that we knew that the world was going to look basically the same today and tomorrow and the next day, even if it didn't get done, as it did yesterday, but -- >> but do you think -- >> the debt ceiling's a different -- >> do you think that people who thought there could be a grand bargain were kidding us or kidding themselves? >> i think that they were kidding themselves down the stretch that we had any hope of getting anything big because there wasn't talk about anything big. frankly, the debt ceiling's not going to be that either. i know that the republicans are basica
that's where we'll really have deficit savings. remember, we're in nickel right now because we're trying to deal with the deficit and long-term debt problems, not just fix a little area in the tax code. >> richard, would you agree that we're really just looking at the tip of the iceberg here? i mean, if we thought this was a difficult negotiation, you ain't seen nothing yet? >> yes, well, can we concede on the air that this whole fiscal cliff business was overhyped, that we knew...
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they said almost every day, at the top of the list is, deficit. get the deficit under control. until we actually did it in the 1990's. and why did i have this single- minded focus? i have always understood, the most important responsibility of government is economic security of the people. if you do not have your fiscal affairs in order -- we learned in the economic downturns in my state, the debt to work for you. it can also question. -- the debt can work for you. it can also crush you. i do not want to see the country go through the same kinds of problems. my family lived through the great depression in the 1930's. it exacted a terrible toll on the people in my state. i have always been very focused on economic growth, economic opportunity, and being responsible with the resources that you have. >> we a frequently heard from the republican candidate but this country could become like greece. do you see that as a possibility? >> no. it is a profoundly different situation. i do see the possibility that we could have debt that would truly be harmful. the congressional budget off
they said almost every day, at the top of the list is, deficit. get the deficit under control. until we actually did it in the 1990's. and why did i have this single- minded focus? i have always understood, the most important responsibility of government is economic security of the people. if you do not have your fiscal affairs in order -- we learned in the economic downturns in my state, the debt to work for you. it can also question. -- the debt can work for you. it can also crush you. i do...
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they did not show as a deficit. while the budgets looked reasonable during that time, the actual spending was greater. people did not pay as much attention to the debt. it just kept mounting and growing. we borrowed to pay for the worse when we did not ask people to make sacrifices financially. there is a difference between borrowing in the future, pang forward and backwards, or having to pay right now. people might have felt differently if they had felt a pinch right at the time. they would have asked different questions than were asked. that is one of the reasons we got where we are. >> could you have been any more vocal about appropriations? >> i was vocal. when i got on the appropriations committee, i became chairman of the legislative branch. that is everything, all of the buildings. office buildings, 1700 capitol police forces, and all of their help, support staff. i held the growth flat. then we cut it by almost 5%. this time around, we let it grow a little bit higher. protect the dome so it did not fall in.
they did not show as a deficit. while the budgets looked reasonable during that time, the actual spending was greater. people did not pay as much attention to the debt. it just kept mounting and growing. we borrowed to pay for the worse when we did not ask people to make sacrifices financially. there is a difference between borrowing in the future, pang forward and backwards, or having to pay right now. people might have felt differently if they had felt a pinch right at the time. they would...
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having said that, we still of the deficit issue. we still have a deficit problem. what we tried to establish this morning in this vote, revenue has to be part of the solution. the other side of the aisle reluctantly, after years of resisting, came to our side on this problem. number two, we need to look in entitlements. here is what the facts are. social security can make every promise of payment for 20 years. you cannot say that about any other federal program. on the 21st year, there will be a drop-off of 30% in terms of social security benefits. so, we of 20 years. we can wait to do something, or we can do something soon, maybe even this year, 2013. that is what i would like to see. i am preparing legislation which will call for the creation of a commission with a simple assignment, come up with a plan for a 75 year solvency of social security. when you haven't and it has been certified to be a valid plan, -- have its and it has been certified to be a valid plan, bring it to congress where it can be passed without a filibuster. to haveve this chance this debate
having said that, we still of the deficit issue. we still have a deficit problem. what we tried to establish this morning in this vote, revenue has to be part of the solution. the other side of the aisle reluctantly, after years of resisting, came to our side on this problem. number two, we need to look in entitlements. here is what the facts are. social security can make every promise of payment for 20 years. you cannot say that about any other federal program. on the 21st year, there will be...
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cut the deficit. however, we can cut the deficit by taxing the wealthy more and $250,000 is wealthy. they also will not consider cutting corporations loopholes or raising taxes on corporations. they will not consider cutting military even though we have gotten out of one war. if we cut poor people top fund military corporations and the wealthy we're going to hurt our economy. it's going to -- our economy is going to tank. host: that is joeian. once again, waiting for house to come back -- they are in recess subject to the call of the chair. as our guests of the "washington times" told us when they come back into the session, the rules committee has to come back first to create the rules for the current senate bill or amend the bill. we have a lot going on today on this first year of 2013. this is the current 112th congress. the new congress gets seated, 113th congress gets seated on thursday. a lot of these members that are taking part in the discussion will not be in the next congress. so that new co
cut the deficit. however, we can cut the deficit by taxing the wealthy more and $250,000 is wealthy. they also will not consider cutting corporations loopholes or raising taxes on corporations. they will not consider cutting military even though we have gotten out of one war. if we cut poor people top fund military corporations and the wealthy we're going to hurt our economy. it's going to -- our economy is going to tank. host: that is joeian. once again, waiting for house to come back -- they...
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we were paying down the deficit. things were going well under bill clinton, under that tax system, and that's what we'll go back to tomorrow. what's so bad about that? well, what's happened is in the last ten years a lot of people have gotten very rich in this country. very rich. and now they want to protect their wealth. and that's what they want to do. they want to lock in this system on estate taxes and lower tax rates up to $450,000 or $500,000 or a million or whatever they want. they want to lock that in. i think it's time for them to start paying their fair share, and they did under the clinton tax provisions that we had in place at that time. so to go back to the tax provisions that we had under bill clinton doesn't frighten me one bit. but now we hear the same song and dance from the republicans. if we do that, the sky's going to fall. the world will end tomorrow. the markets will just go all to heck. we heard that in 1993, and it was wrong. we're hearing it again today about what will happen if we go back to
we were paying down the deficit. things were going well under bill clinton, under that tax system, and that's what we'll go back to tomorrow. what's so bad about that? well, what's happened is in the last ten years a lot of people have gotten very rich in this country. very rich. and now they want to protect their wealth. and that's what they want to do. they want to lock in this system on estate taxes and lower tax rates up to $450,000 or $500,000 or a million or whatever they want. they want...
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they say, almost every day, at the top of the list is the deficit. get the deficit under control. until we actually did it in the 1990's. why did i have this single- minded focus? because i've always understood the most important responsibility of government is the economic security of the people. if you do not have or fiscal affairs in order, we have learned in the economic downturns of my state that debt can work for you. it can also crushed you. i have seen people crushed by debt. i have not wanted to see the country go through those same problems. my family lived through the great depression in the 1930's. exacted a terrible toll on the people of my state. i have always been very focused on economic growth, economic opportunity, and being responsible with the resources that you have. >> during the last campaign, we frequently heard from the republican candidate that this country could become like greece. do you see that as a possibility? >> no, i do not see that as a -- i do not see us becoming a light breeze. it is a profoundly different situation. i do see the possibility th
they say, almost every day, at the top of the list is the deficit. get the deficit under control. until we actually did it in the 1990's. why did i have this single- minded focus? because i've always understood the most important responsibility of government is the economic security of the people. if you do not have or fiscal affairs in order, we have learned in the economic downturns of my state that debt can work for you. it can also crushed you. i have seen people crushed by debt. i have not...
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makes the deficit worse. the real test will been when they can do their jobs and make the hard choices and confront very dangerous debt levels that we currently have in this country that are part of the reason the economy is not growing. it's those hard choices that will be the real test of bipartisanship and the ability to govern. host: let's share with you yesterday how things unfolded. senator john thune spoke with reporters midday yesterday on capitol hill. [video clip] >> those conversations and discussions continue. we remain hopeful that will get a breakthrough. what happened between the two leaders in the senate had broken down, because the senate democrats failed to come forward with a counteroffer to the proposal republicans made last night. host: a late word from "politico" from republican leader mitch mcconnell. let me read to you a story that he and the vice president engaged in "serious overnight negotiations to avert the fiscal cliff, making major progress to a year-end tax deal, giving seven h
makes the deficit worse. the real test will been when they can do their jobs and make the hard choices and confront very dangerous debt levels that we currently have in this country that are part of the reason the economy is not growing. it's those hard choices that will be the real test of bipartisanship and the ability to govern. host: let's share with you yesterday how things unfolded. senator john thune spoke with reporters midday yesterday on capitol hill. [video clip] >> those...
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deficit reduction seems like a fair way to approach that. there are millions more people than available jobs. host: george zornick, thank you. late night for you. guest: i spent more time on new year's eve that i would have cared to. host: thank you for getting up early. next up, the conservative perspective from charles hurt. first a news update. >> john boehner is not endorsing the agreement on the so-called fiscal cliff. he has promised to vote on it right away. he is expected to encounter opposition. one camp earlier said, "it's three strikes in my book and i will be voting no on this bill." the legislation would impose a hardship and fall short on addressing the need in spending. president obama praised the agreements. coats to place on the other side of the capital on issues other than the so-called fiscal cliff. -- votes took place on the other side of the capital. extra cash for the fight against al qaeda and the fight against foreign governments trying to spy on the united states. mike rogers said the bill holds personnel levels at
deficit reduction seems like a fair way to approach that. there are millions more people than available jobs. host: george zornick, thank you. late night for you. guest: i spent more time on new year's eve that i would have cared to. host: thank you for getting up early. next up, the conservative perspective from charles hurt. first a news update. >> john boehner is not endorsing the agreement on the so-called fiscal cliff. he has promised to vote on it right away. he is expected to...
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we have had 1.422, 1.29 and on the way to another trillion dollars deficit for these years. what the president is proposing is not pragmatic whatsoever and really is a reflection of him i suppose living in a fantasy world. >> what do you think the deal that speaker boehner offered the president? >> well, i was against the plan b because i don't see this as being a tax revenue increase issue. most important is spending. we could georgia back -- go back to the simpson bowles commission. the most important thing, we have to deal with spending. we live in an america where the federal government now is spending 25% of our gross domestic product. when you study the obama budget that would increase to 32%. that's where the problem has to i am emanate from. the spending side of our budget is 62% of what we spend money on. it's not just about defense or discretionary. >> is there any indication the president's deal, that he may come back with, will address spending? i haven't heard substantial spending cuts out of any deals on the left. >> absolutely you are not hearing that whatsoev
we have had 1.422, 1.29 and on the way to another trillion dollars deficit for these years. what the president is proposing is not pragmatic whatsoever and really is a reflection of him i suppose living in a fantasy world. >> what do you think the deal that speaker boehner offered the president? >> well, i was against the plan b because i don't see this as being a tax revenue increase issue. most important is spending. we could georgia back -- go back to the simpson bowles...
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had to be a paydown on $24 billion of the deficit. we'll have two months to argue out the debt ceiling and the sequester. that was a bright line the president laid out to vice president biden and the staff, said that had to be in the deal, or no deal. >> might be too early, too soon, any read out, any sense of how the meeting's gone between the vice president and the house democrats or we're still working on that? >> reporter: i am not getting any -- any read-out yet because i think it's ongoing. but i will tell you that there is -- even going into it -- a sense of optimism here. the staffers who were working well past 2:00 a.m. last night still have not booked their vacation -- well, they have not left on vacation but i think they're approaching the point where they might feel comfortable booking their vacation travel for a few days. you get the sense they think this is going to wrap up. >> strange how we get our information. we have to look at people's travel and vacation plans. but, yes, it could give us an inkling we're getting cl
had to be a paydown on $24 billion of the deficit. we'll have two months to argue out the debt ceiling and the sequester. that was a bright line the president laid out to vice president biden and the staff, said that had to be in the deal, or no deal. >> might be too early, too soon, any read out, any sense of how the meeting's gone between the vice president and the house democrats or we're still working on that? >> reporter: i am not getting any -- any read-out yet because i think...
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theses why we're getting massive deficits today. we have never had anything like this without a major war. you can rightly wrap the knuckles of george bush, but that does not excuse president obama for what he has done. democrats and republicans share blame for what happened with the federal reserve, not calling them to read and counto account. even though i am a republican, i am for candidates who do those things. host: c-span democrat tweets in, which your flat tax treat capital gains as income? guest: my proposal would not. if you get the rate low enough, that would be a compromise i would be happy to make. that is a kind of conversation we should be having, how we get the rate as low as possible. if you get that very low rate, i will be a supporter of it. host: independence day tweets in, are you telling us you will stop investing if capital gains rate goes up to equal the ordinary income rate? guest: it is not a matter what we do in our own business, media has gone through a real convulsion. in terms of when you make an investm
theses why we're getting massive deficits today. we have never had anything like this without a major war. you can rightly wrap the knuckles of george bush, but that does not excuse president obama for what he has done. democrats and republicans share blame for what happened with the federal reserve, not calling them to read and counto account. even though i am a republican, i am for candidates who do those things. host: c-span democrat tweets in, which your flat tax treat capital gains as...
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if we have normal economy we would have 500 billion more in revenue today which would cut the deficit by 40 or 50%. that does it. >> what is the most we can hope for from these guys? they will work over the new year's holiday. i know what you want. you want a flat tax. i know your wish-list but what is the best we can hope for? >> best we can hope for they all realize they will all get the blame. for once, kick the can down the road. you will not reform the tax code in 72 hours between now and new year's. entitle manlts and everything else. put it off for 60 days. begin to do real reformation of the tax code. to allow us to go off the fiscal cliff is preposterous. david: when you say a 60-day hold does that mean the president, the president says we should at least make sure taxes for those making under $200,000 doesn't go up but everybody else's taxes should go up. >> they should put everything off 60 to 90 days and sit down after new year's and say how we get the economy moving again? i think it will be clear early next year we're starting to slow down. republicans should hammer home
if we have normal economy we would have 500 billion more in revenue today which would cut the deficit by 40 or 50%. that does it. >> what is the most we can hope for from these guys? they will work over the new year's holiday. i know what you want. you want a flat tax. i know your wish-list but what is the best we can hope for? >> best we can hope for they all realize they will all get the blame. for once, kick the can down the road. you will not reform the tax code in 72 hours...
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finance our deficits. and this is precisely how it worked. and the trouble was -- and if you want to understand exactly how the capital gains profits were attracted to the united states -- there are some key elements. one was, the commiseration of blue-collar workers in the united states. there were some key elements. one was the proliferation of states. that kept prices low. even with the oil crisis, prices in the united states rose more slowly than they did in japan or europe. so, if you were japanese or german, the profits, where do you invest them? where do you keep them? you keep them with the low inflation rate. that is one reason. one mechanism that helps attract the capital from the rest of the world and close the loop. wall street was another. it has an amazing capacity to create a metaphysical value out of nothing. walmart was another. is promoted the ideology of cheapness, which was calculated -- encapsulated so brilliantly. nobody needs a gallon of pickles. i don't think it fits in a fridge. wh
finance our deficits. and this is precisely how it worked. and the trouble was -- and if you want to understand exactly how the capital gains profits were attracted to the united states -- there are some key elements. one was, the commiseration of blue-collar workers in the united states. there were some key elements. one was the proliferation of states. that kept prices low. even with the oil crisis, prices in the united states rose more slowly than they did in japan or europe. so, if you were...
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climate change, gay marriage, abortion, all of that was ignored and we talked about simpson bowls and the deficit reduction. >> around no explanation of what those things were for the average person. >> inside the beltway debate. you only get really one domestic policy debate now for the entire fall campaign. open this thing up to new voices, to fresh perspective, to broader perspectives. i don't mean to pick on jim layla leyer but enough. >> the obama campaign and the not surprising decision of mitt romney and debate moderators to never raise climate change for the first time since 1988. if you go back to the tape in 1988 where dan quayle was asked about the fact carbon was warming the earth, yeah, that's going to be a problem, we should do something about it. here we are 24 years later and it doesn't even get a mention in any of the debates. >> i have another video assist from my answer here. the worst move, the worst decision of the campaign was to do what you're about to see at the republican convention. >> oh. >> i just wondered, are all these promises and then i wondered about, you know, wh
climate change, gay marriage, abortion, all of that was ignored and we talked about simpson bowls and the deficit reduction. >> around no explanation of what those things were for the average person. >> inside the beltway debate. you only get really one domestic policy debate now for the entire fall campaign. open this thing up to new voices, to fresh perspective, to broader perspectives. i don't mean to pick on jim layla leyer but enough. >> the obama campaign and the not...
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a $4 billion a day deficit is out of control. there have to be some spending cuts. you have to address the spending side of this column. you have to address entitlements. what the president wants to do is look at the taxes, generate enough revenue and forget about the rest of it. i do not excel. the american people have had their fill of this. they are demanding we address the spending side. you have to look at tax reform. it actually makes the problem worse. why would i kick the can down the road and why would i keep all of this that all my children and grandchildren so that their future is capped and traded to the people that own our debt? i think that is your responsibility. rich: eventually, the house will have to get involved in this one if there is a deal. dagen: and there are a number of issues where the two sides are far apart. keep in mind, the mmst important role is to avoid the tax increases. still some issues before we bring legislation to the floor. thank you so much for that, rich. we are waiting for some answers to the debacle down and d.c. i look at
a $4 billion a day deficit is out of control. there have to be some spending cuts. you have to address the spending side of this column. you have to address entitlements. what the president wants to do is look at the taxes, generate enough revenue and forget about the rest of it. i do not excel. the american people have had their fill of this. they are demanding we address the spending side. you have to look at tax reform. it actually makes the problem worse. why would i kick the can down the...
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almost every day at the top of the list is deficit. get the deficit under control. until we did it in the 1990's. and why did i have a single- minded focus? i've always understood the most important responsibility of government is the economic security of people. if you do not have your fiscal affairs in order, we learned in the economic downturns in my state that debt can work for you. it can also crush you. i have seen people crashed by -- crushed by debt. my family lived through the great depression in the 1930's and it exacted a terrible toll on the people of my state. i have always been focused on economic growth, economic opportunity, and irresponsible with the resources at hand. -- >> the c.s. becoming like greece? >> no, that is a profoundly -- do you see as becoming like greece? >> that is a profoundly different situation. the congressional budget office says that if we stay on the course we are on, we will have a debt that is 230% of our gross domestic product of the the next 20 years. most experts say once you get a debt of more than 9% of gross domestic
almost every day at the top of the list is deficit. get the deficit under control. until we did it in the 1990's. and why did i have a single- minded focus? i've always understood the most important responsibility of government is the economic security of people. if you do not have your fiscal affairs in order, we learned in the economic downturns in my state that debt can work for you. it can also crush you. i have seen people crashed by -- crushed by debt. my family lived through the great...
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they could have had a more popular message about cutting deficit spending, right? >> the truth is they would have been a lot better off taking the deal that boehner was negotiating with president obama way back when. it was a better deal all the way around. they missed that moment. but i think the real thing is who pays the price. the people who are going to pay the price are the americans, the middle class. this is crazy. it's nuts to be putting us through this. >> maria, all the focus on tax cuts. but the revenue from increasing the taxes on the wealthy will barely make a debt in the deficit to say nothing of the trillions in debt we're talking about. is this just a symbolic fight that the president is determined to win off his election? >> it's not symbolic. there will be money raised if the tax cuts for the top 2% are left to expire. but let me just bring up a point. no democrat and certainly not this president has said there should be no spending cuts. on the contrary this president has put on the table quite an extraordinary amount of spending cuts to the cha
they could have had a more popular message about cutting deficit spending, right? >> the truth is they would have been a lot better off taking the deal that boehner was negotiating with president obama way back when. it was a better deal all the way around. they missed that moment. but i think the real thing is who pays the price. the people who are going to pay the price are the americans, the middle class. this is crazy. it's nuts to be putting us through this. >> maria, all the...
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they did not show as a deficit. while the budgets looked reasonable during that time, the actual spending was greater. people did not pay as much attention to the debt. it just kept mounting and growing. we borrowed to pay for the worse when we did not ask people to make sacrifices financially. there is a difference between borrowing in the future, pang forward and backwards, or having to pay right now. people might have felt differently if they had felt a pinch right at the time. they would have asked different questions than were asked. that is one of the reasons we got where we are. >> could you have been any more vocal about appropriations? >> i was vocal. when i got on the appropriations committee, i became chairman of the legislative branch. that is everything, all of the buildings. office buildings, 1700 capitol police forces, and all of their help, support staff. i held the growth flat. then we cut it by almost 5%. this time around, we let it grow a little bit higher. protect the dome so it did not fall in.
they did not show as a deficit. while the budgets looked reasonable during that time, the actual spending was greater. people did not pay as much attention to the debt. it just kept mounting and growing. we borrowed to pay for the worse when we did not ask people to make sacrifices financially. there is a difference between borrowing in the future, pang forward and backwards, or having to pay right now. people might have felt differently if they had felt a pinch right at the time. they would...
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they could have had the more popular message about cutting deficit spending, right? >> the truth is they would have been better taking the deal that john boehner negotiated with president obama way back when. they missed the moment. i think the real fear is who pays the price. i think the republicans has a point but will pay the price and the real people that will pay the price are the americans, the middle class. it is crazy to put us through this. >> all of the focus on tax cuts but the revenue from increases the taxes on the wealthy will barely make a dment the deficit to say nothing of the trillions of dollars in debt we are talking about. it is a symbolic fight the president is determined to win off of his re-election. >> it is not symbolic. there will be money raised if the tacks for the top 2% are left to expire. let me bring up a point. no democrat and certainly not this president, has said there should be no spending cuts. on the contrary. this president has put on the table quite an extraordinary amount of spending cuts to the sh grin of many democrats, i m
they could have had the more popular message about cutting deficit spending, right? >> the truth is they would have been better taking the deal that john boehner negotiated with president obama way back when. they missed the moment. i think the real fear is who pays the price. i think the republicans has a point but will pay the price and the real people that will pay the price are the americans, the middle class. it is crazy to put us through this. >> all of the focus on tax cuts...
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it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt, and what they are essentially suggesting is we want new taxes. we want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> so what happens next? with us nbc news capitol hill correspondent mike vic rah and nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker. mike, let's get started with you. what's happening right now in the senate. i understand there's an update on the chained cpi. >> reporter: they say the darkest hour right before the dawn, melissa. everybody ought to hope that's true, at least if you don't want to see your taxes go up on midnight on monday and tuesday night because everything seems to be at a standstill right now. let's review the bidding. here it is from a republican source here on the republican side of capitol hill. all day yesterday they were trading proposals back and forth. by his count two democratic offers came back to republicans and four came back from republicans to democrats. the last one being at 7:00 last night, and, boom, after that, things pretty much came to a standsti standstill.
it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt, and what they are essentially suggesting is we want new taxes. we want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> so what happens next? with us nbc news capitol hill correspondent mike vic rah and nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker. mike, let's get started with you. what's happening right now in the senate. i understand there's an update on the chained cpi. >> reporter: they say the...
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smash some deficits, smash some deficits, smash some deficits, smash some deficits. >> that was gallagher, too? >> that was gallagher. one of our more memorable moments with rick santelli, who can do incredible things with a very large mal let. rick, good morning. happy ne year to you. we're going to do smashing here if things don't happen in the next few hours. >> they are. as a matter of fact -- hold on. got to get some props that you can't see. you know, i think it's almost time for us to do a big whoopee, because maybe we are close to a deal. but after listening to that spot, i think i'm going to modify whoopee to maybe whoop-pea. because i think we went from smashing pumpkins to potentially smashing a pea. and maybe even the pea is going to be a little bit too big. so we went from gallagher -- there we go. there's our debt smashing for the end of the year. okay? it's basically a pea. and maybe we don't even get that. because most likely, what we are dealing with here, unlike with gallagher and the watermelons and big hammer, is pretty much about a tax deal. okay? we've done all of th
smash some deficits, smash some deficits, smash some deficits, smash some deficits. >> that was gallagher, too? >> that was gallagher. one of our more memorable moments with rick santelli, who can do incredible things with a very large mal let. rick, good morning. happy ne year to you. we're going to do smashing here if things don't happen in the next few hours. >> they are. as a matter of fact -- hold on. got to get some props that you can't see. you know, i think it's almost...
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we're not even aiming for the grand bargain that is necessary to reduce long-term deficits and debt. we weren't that far from a deal two weeks ago. but we are today. we're going to get a patch and be here again in two months. congress can't get out of its own way. we keep setting our own traps. and we can't find a way to reason together. >> john, we appreciate the clarity, even if it's depressing. thank you very much. john avlon. >>> a lot of other news developing overnight. for that, let's check in, as always, with mr. ron claiborne. good morning, sir. >> hi, dan, bianna. mr. avlon, good morning, everyone. we begin in australia, with a confrontation with a shark. it cost a surfer two fingers and a chunk of his leg. the 29-year-old was surrounded by a pod of dolphins when the shark attacked yesterday. >> are you all right? >> yeah, i got my legs. i'm good. >> and witnesses say the man used his surfboard to fight off the shark. but the shark bit off two of his fingers. and sank its teeth into his legs. other surfers came to the man's aid until paramedics arrived. >>> and police in new
we're not even aiming for the grand bargain that is necessary to reduce long-term deficits and debt. we weren't that far from a deal two weeks ago. but we are today. we're going to get a patch and be here again in two months. congress can't get out of its own way. we keep setting our own traps. and we can't find a way to reason together. >> john, we appreciate the clarity, even if it's depressing. thank you very much. john avlon. >>> a lot of other news developing overnight. for...
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we talked about simpson-bowles, deficit reduction, and affordable care act. >> with no explanation of what they were for the average person. >> it was sort of the inside the beltway debate, and you get one positive debate for the entire fall campaign. you open things up to new voices to broader perspectives. i don't mean to pick on jim lehrer too much, but really, enough of it. >> chris, the worst move? >> the worst move, the decision by both the obama campaign and the not so surprising decision on never raising climate change for the first time. since 1988, if you go back to the tape when lloyd benson, they both said yeah, that will be a problem, we should do something about it. here we are, 24 years later and it doesn't even get a mention in any of the debates. >> i have another video assist, the worst move, the worst decision of the campaign was to do what you're about to see. at the republican convention. >> oh. >> i just wondered -- all of these promises, and then i wondered about -- you know, when -- the -- what do you want me to tell romney? i can't tell him to do that. can't d
we talked about simpson-bowles, deficit reduction, and affordable care act. >> with no explanation of what they were for the average person. >> it was sort of the inside the beltway debate, and you get one positive debate for the entire fall campaign. you open things up to new voices to broader perspectives. i don't mean to pick on jim lehrer too much, but really, enough of it. >> chris, the worst move? >> the worst move, the decision by both the obama campaign and the...
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all of that was ignored, we talked about simpson bowles, the deficit reduction and affordable care act. >> with no explanation of what they were for the average person. >> it was sort of the inside the beltway debate, and you get one positive debate for the entire fall campaign. you open things up to new voices and fresh perspectives, to broader perspectives. i don't mean to pick on jim lehrer too much, but really, enough of it. >> chris, the worst move? >> the worst move, the decision by both the obama campaign and the not so surprising decision by romney and debate moderators to never raise climate change for the first time since 1988. if you go back to to the tape when lloyd benson and dan quayle were asked about it, they both said, yeah, that will be a problem, we should do something about it. here we are, 24 years later and it doesn't even get a mention in any of the debates. >> i have another video assist, the worst move, the worst decision of the campaign was to do what you're about to see at the republican convention. >> oh. >> i just wondered -- all of these promises, and then
all of that was ignored, we talked about simpson bowles, the deficit reduction and affordable care act. >> with no explanation of what they were for the average person. >> it was sort of the inside the beltway debate, and you get one positive debate for the entire fall campaign. you open things up to new voices and fresh perspectives, to broader perspectives. i don't mean to pick on jim lehrer too much, but really, enough of it. >> chris, the worst move? >> the worst...
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they know that we've got to make a down payment on deficit reduction. they know that we've got to protect the middle class and we've got to focus on -- let's -- what i haven't heard about in a couple of days are, our needs get back to the number one issues. creating jobs and getting this economy turned around. this is one of the first things that we have to do so we can move on aggressively towards that. >> bottom line, house republicans are meeting right now. they've just started a second meeting of the day. what do you anticipate will happen tonight? >> you know, i said earlier today, predicting what this group of republican and the house members will do is it certainly a challenge. i know that if -- from working with them as many years as i have, i know there are enough responsible republicans that there would be enough democrats and republicans that would pass that bill and send it to the president so we can prevent 98% of americans from having their tacks increased and we could get a handle on the deficit reduction problem. >> you think there's a d
they know that we've got to make a down payment on deficit reduction. they know that we've got to protect the middle class and we've got to focus on -- let's -- what i haven't heard about in a couple of days are, our needs get back to the number one issues. creating jobs and getting this economy turned around. this is one of the first things that we have to do so we can move on aggressively towards that. >> bottom line, house republicans are meeting right now. they've just started a...
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i mean, offered to make some significant changes to our entitlement programs in order to reduce the deficit. >> all right. we're just listening to a democrat, tom harkin, criticizing the deal so far. the question -- we're speaking specifically of the concessions, perhaps the $450,000 offer we're aware of coming from vice president biden. are the president and democrats caving too much? tom harkin is expressing that frustration. >> well, i think we're all frustrated about that. i think the american people, 60% to 70% of the american people believe the president was correct in setting the limits at 250 and 200,000 for individuals as the cap on making sure that those taxes didn't go up for those americans making less than that. 70% of americans think that's about right. they voted in the presidential election and re-elected a president who said that was his criteria. but the president understands this is a process where compromise is necessary. the house of representatives, controlled by the republicans, clearly has indicated that a million dollars was not acceptable to it in the united states
i mean, offered to make some significant changes to our entitlement programs in order to reduce the deficit. >> all right. we're just listening to a democrat, tom harkin, criticizing the deal so far. the question -- we're speaking specifically of the concessions, perhaps the $450,000 offer we're aware of coming from vice president biden. are the president and democrats caving too much? tom harkin is expressing that frustration. >> well, i think we're all frustrated about that. i...
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and that would still leave an $800 billion deficit. we can not tax away the deficit. gregg: sure we can. we can do the value-added tax. >> well, and that's what worries me. if we don't cut spending, spending right now, the federal government is the largest it has ever been as a share of our economy. it takes up more of our economy than ever, the only way to pay for it is to put in a european-style value-added tax. which means every american, everyone, the lower income, the middle income, the high income, would pay, say 20% on every item they purchase, every item, to the federal government. that is what the europeans do to afford these big governments. gregg: what would it do? >> say that again? gregg: what would it do? >> that, that what would happen is, we were turn into europe. we all see it. we see greece, and spain and italy, and france. they all grow slow of the they have extremely high unemployment rates. we would have a slow economy and high unemployment forever if we taxed ourselves like that. gregg: all right. >> this idea that somehow you can't tax the middl
and that would still leave an $800 billion deficit. we can not tax away the deficit. gregg: sure we can. we can do the value-added tax. >> well, and that's what worries me. if we don't cut spending, spending right now, the federal government is the largest it has ever been as a share of our economy. it takes up more of our economy than ever, the only way to pay for it is to put in a european-style value-added tax. which means every american, everyone, the lower income, the middle income,...
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and the way they agreed to it is they paid down $24 billion on the deficit. remember, congress agreed to these major spending cuts, right? >> that's two months down the road, so even that is kind of a little bit anti-climactic. it is like, my god, the fiscal cliff, the fiscal cliff. we'll deal with it in two months. jessica yellin, so much more to talk to you about. we'll check in later, but thanks so much. >>> as we wait for republicans and democrats to come to the microphones, one democrat just left the meeting, he's going to be joining us next. sten to thesy progressive customers. i plugged in snapshot, and 30 days later, i was saving big on car insurance. with snapshot, i knew what i could save before i switched to progressive. the better i drive, the more i save. i wish our company had something this cool. you're not filming this, are you? aw! camera shy. snapshot from progressive. test-drive snapshot before you switch. visit progressive.com today. to volunteer to help those in need. when a twinge of back pain surprises him. morning starts in high spirit
and the way they agreed to it is they paid down $24 billion on the deficit. remember, congress agreed to these major spending cuts, right? >> that's two months down the road, so even that is kind of a little bit anti-climactic. it is like, my god, the fiscal cliff, the fiscal cliff. we'll deal with it in two months. jessica yellin, so much more to talk to you about. we'll check in later, but thanks so much. >>> as we wait for republicans and democrats to come to the microphones,...
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road and will have to do it later. >> reporter: the fiscal cliff was incentive to try to deal with deficit reduction. this is dismantling the consequence of dealing with the bigger issue. the bigger issue is still going to be with us in the next couple months because now as the debt ceiling is set to hit, this will all come into play. republicans aren't going to budge on increasing the debt ceiling until they get some of the things they want on deficit reduction. they want tax reform. so do democrats want tax reform but they have different ideas about how to do it it. it's kicking the can down the road. there will be a lot more ahead on this. >> brianna keilar breaking it down for us at the white house. thanks for that. >>> eight senators voted against this compromised measure, but the opposition didn't fall along party lines. tom harkin, tom krarner and michael bennett all voted now. so did these five republicans. let's put the politics to the side for a minute and ask the question most of us are wondering. what does this measure mean for you and your wallet? ali velshi is crunch iing the
road and will have to do it later. >> reporter: the fiscal cliff was incentive to try to deal with deficit reduction. this is dismantling the consequence of dealing with the bigger issue. the bigger issue is still going to be with us in the next couple months because now as the debt ceiling is set to hit, this will all come into play. republicans aren't going to budge on increasing the debt ceiling until they get some of the things they want on deficit reduction. they want tax reform. so...